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Minutes of P&E Division Meeting on 'Flying Saucers' Project — 21 August 1952

This three-page document is the minutes of a meeting held at 0835 on 21 August 1952 in Mr. Steele's office, with a quorum including Mr. Sullivan (Chairman), Mr. Ahern, Mr. Barnard, Mr. Engle, Dr. Fairchild, Dr. Fondiller, Mr. Cordon, Dr. Harkin, and Mr. Rajala. Mr. Sullivan opened by announcing that a project was to be started in the P&E Division on 'Flying Saucers,' set up to maintain a file, collect outside contacts on such matters, and permit the Division and office to take a stand and formulate an opinion as required. The minutes note that the Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) had the job of finding out about flying saucers and keeping records, and was responsible for getting information for CIA. Each branch appointed a representative — Mr. Eloy for Physics and Mr. Barnard for Electronics and Communications. Mr. Ray Condon was named Project Officer for the P&E Division, tasked with determining who was handling the project at ORR, obtaining a past history of findings in meteorology, radar, and other sciences, and securing reports from ATIC. Discussion also covered whether P&E should answer requests, noting ATIC's standard reference form and worldwide records. The document, drawn from the CIA's online reading room (CREST), reflects early U.S. intelligence-community interest in the UFO/flying saucer question in 1952.

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Description

Typed CIA minutes recording a P&E (Physics & Electronics) Division branch chiefs' meeting held 21 August 1952, at which the Division resolved to launch a project on 'Flying Saucers,' maintain a file, and coordinate with the Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) which held responsibility for investigating the phenomenon.

Claims

  • A project on 'Flying Saucers' was to be started in the P&E Division to maintain a file and enable the Division to formulate an opinion as required.

    95%
  • ATIC's records were believed to cover the whole world.

    80%
  • The Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) had the job of finding out about flying saucers, keeping records, and was responsible for getting information for CIA.

    80%
  • Mr. Ray Condon was appointed Project Officer for the P&E Division on the flying saucers project.

    80%
  • ATIC had the job of investigating flying saucers, keeping records, and supplying information to CIA.

    80%
  • Ray Condon was appointed Project Officer for the P&E Division.

    75%

Events

  1. Aug 20, 1952

    P&E Division meeting establishing Flying Saucers project

    Branch chiefs' meeting at 0835 in Mr. Steele's office where Mr. Sullivan announced a project on 'Flying Saucers,' appointed representatives, and named Ray Condon as Project Officer.

  2. Aug 20, 1952

    P&E Division meeting on Flying Saucers

    Meeting at 0835 in Mr. Steele's office establishing a P&E Division project on flying saucers, appointing representatives and a Project Officer.

Dates mentioned

1952-08-21

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